I do not see anything in the task manager for the ms security services or defender services unless the word it differently. below is what i find and what they take now Ok what do i look for in the task manager? i do not see anything for win10 ms security running or win defender. i do not trust my free programs i have to be safe in that area of the web anyways. but anyway i bet most will say no they will not go there because of any reasons. so if that happens i will ask if the responders use it and if they say yes, my next question will be if they search the dark web or trust there norton package that comcast gives them to go on the darkweb? i do not want to go there i used to do it years ago when i used chromebooks but not now. I asked this same question on the norton forums site and i bet they will come back and tell me to get rid of what i have and go with norton. when i got to ms security it has checks at all the levels so i figure that is doing good. so maybe i might want to turn off defender? i see some different ideas on that program to be on or off. i have ccleaner free, malwarebytes free, spybot search and destroy free, and ms is on and set to ok. i now have avast free, and avast secure browser but that one is real slow so i still use chrome.